3DKiwi

Hi Kath Yeah as mentioned I still lurk around here. I gave up waiting on MAXON to upgrade C4D and moved on to Modo. My main interest is modelling and generally Modo is better at modelling than C4D is. This also coincided with me wanting to step aside from running the cafe so that I could devote more time to cycling. I now compete in Masters level cycling races at a national level. Regards Nigel

I'm sure it will transform into something wonderful :)

But if they put ProRender in Prime then Prime users get 90% of R19 for a MSA price of $250 compared to the Studio's $650. Somewhere they needed to give the illusion that the $650 MSA has some benefit over and above what people using and paying less are receiving.

I agree with Cutman for a change. The new super fast C4D when it comes will look much the same as it does now and function much the same. C4D is a modular type application so modules like MoGraph plug into the core application. A lot of work and thought would have gone into how to rewrite the core without having to rewrite the modules. Some however like modelling and Bodypaint have likely been largely rewritten. Re R19. Think I pretty much nailed it with my predictions. I picked it wouldn't be the big one, Prorender would be big feature, some MoGraph enhancements, no UV / Bodypaint enhancements apart from some token gesture stuff (grow / shrink selection), no modelling enhancements apart from some under the hood stuff then the usual list of assorted enhancements. So for R20 here goes: Super fast object handling, nodes everything including materials (if you want), updated / rewritten UV tools, proper symmetry modelling. Possibly with R20 or coming later a replacement for Thinking Particles. I would expect with the enhanced node system to be able to do some cool procedural modelling type stuff / animations but you'll need to be willing to put some time into learning how all the nodes work. Re plugins for R20. Since the new core will be fully functional plugins / 3rd party renderers will need some major work to work with R20. Just speculating big time here. Anyway, fun times ahead.

Good to hear. Are you having a few problems? I've had a few error messages etc over the last couple of days.

And even I agree. It's great that both C4D and Modo are getting Prorender. The more mainstream 3D applications using it the better for everyone. I'll wait until it's out and look at upgrading my graphics card once I see how other people are getting on using it and what GPU they are using to get good results. I reckon an 8gb card at least.

Re ProRender. Even me as a critic of MAXON doesn't have a problem with them only having it in the higher versions of Cinema 4D. It would have taken a lot of developer time with plenty more yet to come. That time has to be paid for. AMD and The Foundry have announced ProRender coming for Modo as well. People will need to upgrade to the latest version of Modo to get when it comes out.

Surely that's possible now using the modelling axis settings? Just a matter of changing the axis to "selected" and enable the "Normal" option. You can now work on multiple component islands, usually polygons. Not sure why you're getting bad geometry with the bevel tool. C4D's bevel tool works pretty well for me and geometry is clean. That said, you should regularly run the Mesh Checking utility and clean up any bad geometry.

MAXON was uploading the R19 videos to Vimeo a week ago. Recall, by mistake the Sound Effector video was public briefly. This means the announcement is imminent. This ties in what what they've done in the past and I can't think why they would change. It could be MAXON's Tuesday around midday rather than Monday 31 July. This gives them a day an bit back at work after the weekend to finish preparing their site. Whenever it is, it's very close. Yup, the main feature of R19 will be a free render engine. Recall that Cycles for Blender is also free but you have to pay for the bridge to C4D. You're paying for MAXON's time to integrate it. Some will love it but for others they will still need to use the existing render engines as ProRender won't support C4D's material system 100%. Some of the shaders and special f/x won't be supported. Plus a list of other stuff as well.

R19 should be announced by MAXON sometime in the next 24 hours after Siggraph has started and around midday German time on Monday 31 July when the marketing dept is at work and can make the R19 pages visible on their web site. As usual there will be a launch by MAXON USA at Siggraph. Re Bodypaint. We're still in the R18 cycle until September when R19 ships so there's still time yet for it to be included. Bit of a yawn if you ask me. The main new feature in R19 is AmdProrender. People expecting UV tool enhancements / faster object handling are going to have to wait until R20.

It works. Well done. I used to do a bit VBA a long time ago. I see in the latest 3D World Magazine. AMD is promoting AMD ProRender and R19. Excellent results.

Thanks. We're up and running again. Clicking on "Unread content" does nothing. You just get the page that you were on, no new posts etc.

Have you changed the font? This Times font is hard to read.

A bit of an over simplification. Modo's 11 does include new stuff and I'm sure the entire 11 cycle will include at least as much as MAXON includes in R19. It's rather light so far but there is new stuff. And there's 11.2 to come yet. The procedural modeling that came in Modo 10 is a game changer for me. I'll be handing over my $399 to upgrade today now that the demo has expired.

Yeah I like the dark theme as well. Well done

Yeah you are. It's $399 to upgrade from Modo 10.2 via their new annual maintenance plan but if you skip version 11 then you'll have to pay $599 to upgrade to 12 and then pay $599 annually. It's debatable that the most cost effective way to upgrade is to upgrade every second year. I'll be handing over my $399 tomorrow when my demo expires. Version 11 is working well for me with zero crashes in a month. Re .5 days. R19 is essentially 18.5 just as R17 was 16.5. There's a perception that .5 upgrades should cost less than a full number upgrade and when MAXON moved to the annual maintenance scheme (MSA) the price had to be constant hence the reason for ditching the .5 versions.

I'm on Chrome. I've ditched Firefox. Chrome works better plus all my Android phone and tablet are synched with Google apps.

Re attachments. I can recall myself and others bringing this up years ago. Think I ended up installing a Firefox extension that mass selected check boxes on a page.

Yeah interesting blog post. My take on it was that MAXON are softening you / us up for R19 that doesn't include the big enhancements that many are waiting for i.e. faster object handling, updated UV tools, material nodes etc. I think for some Prorender will make R19 a great upgrade and for others that don't need GPU rendering it will be a really weak upgrade and on par with the lack lustre R17 upgrade.

Have fun with the upgrade. Glad I don't have to stress over these things anymore :)

Fake news Dave :)

I agree with Hsrdelic. People are getting excited about nothing.

Nah, just ditch C4D and come on over to Modo I haven't got Polystein but I'm using 2 other modelling kits by the same developer. One is a whole heap of modelling scripts that do some cool stuff and the other one is a live hard boolean workflow where you can move your objects around and things update. C4D can do this but it's very CPU taxing.

Re MoGraph Sound Effector. Looks like someone from MAXON was uploading the R19 videos and got the permissions to view wrong (Now changed). What they have likely done is made the sound effector more intuitive to use as it was a bit hard to use before. Plus given it a new interface for the settings with an improved frequency graph. We'll know in a week.

I think R19 won't feature much at all in the presentations or more accurately R19 features won't feature. It's more about here's what great stuff you can do with C4D and demonstrating how to do it and or giving an overview of how they did it. Unless the presenter is a Beta tester or VIP user then they won't have got their hands on R19 yet or would have only been given it recently. That said I would fully expect to see R19 enhancements like ProRender being demonstrated by MAXON staff and maybe some Beta testers that would have been using it for a while. I predict that there's nothing to do with VR at all in R19. We'll find out soon enough as there's only 11 days to go until Siggraph.