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Oh no! NOOOO!!! Why do you screw it all up, when everything was fine, EXACTLY LIKE IT SHOULD BE? I was afraid you're new CEO will bring the worst things from "Adooubie" evil giant, who ruined everything they had, threatening their own customers like retarded moneybags, and now I feel the same is going on with our beloved company. C4D just established itself as a no-compromise, no-competition tool for motion, we just calmed down "ok's all nice finally!" and now - that? Adobe-like madness? This "agile" thing is not only controversial, it's stupid. If program hasn't changed, why help should? If program changed, what's the problem to update help offline too? It's simply webpages and nothing more, let us download them as before! It's totally far-fetched argument. More than that, all the Adobe scam started with the argument "we will evolve constantly!". And you know what? They didn't even once. I'm suspicious we see the same "beginning of the giant crumbling". But now we have nowhere to run out. There's NO OPTION! God, what's so wrong with CG industry we have to constantly suffer?

And yes you're right, I initially was a hard 3ds max user but 3 years have switched to Cinema and never went back (except for modelling) But currently i'm in the state when I'm not searching for any parallels or similarities between the programs, I use it freely and have no problems with that (again, except modelling :D)

What a nice idea! I will try join them, thanks!

Oh - my applauses for new shader node editor! It's a brilliantly made interface, it's so excellently designed! My respect

Yes, I understand. As well as I understand that I am NOT a UX-designer, despite I feel I could put together complex things and concepts inside a logical interface. Anyway helping your team and suggesting some things me and many others need everyday and influencing the development could be an awesome opportunity) I have no access to real tasks you face so can't check myself. But how can I make something you'll really use in your work? Would be glad if you guide. Of course, I'd rather be much better CG guy, but it's unlikely...(

Hi! Not sure it's a nice idea to write a letter as a job candidate being who I am, but "UX designer" and "3d generalist" got me caught! I like what MAXON do so much that I'll be glad to help them even as a freelancer or not being paid. For example, I have wrote a big list of proposals to improve C4D experience, basically, it may be considered as a lite UX-report. Do you think it's adequate to write them about that?

I keep adding items in the list. Not sure now will anybody in MAXON read it, but I hope so. Happily, Cinema is not the program that needs all-new approach and logic (except modeling module) but there's still a lot of places for improvements GENERAL While "align center" window is active dont't apply the changes to pivot untill the "execute" button is pressed as it's too easy to mess with pivot simply selecting object; "Center axis to" and other commands must not retain the behaviour defined by "Center axis" dialog; Fast "key selected attr" as Q in timeline - when autokey sets the keys for all the parameters it's a bit inconvinient; Fix "render instances", make them like real instances. For now they disappear as soon as we work with them as real objects, putting in symmetry or any other generator. It must work like if you work with a bunch of Instance objects, not like now; Less nulls - there's no real reason why we must group geometry in null to put it in SDS or symmetry. But we have to still, seems to have no point; Cloner negative offset! It's really needed feature to have a way to shift cloner in opposite way than it's possible now; Consider null the object of size of it's content. It's really needed for "fit to parent", axis manipulation and similar things; Add a way to dock attribute manager under the dope sheet object list to see key parameters immidiately; Add a "Show in Solo mode" in Interaction tag; Don't gray out snap options when it's turned off, it is rather inconvinient than logical; One click solo activation with last used settings. Hierachy turned on by default. Messing with flyout menu every time is time-consuming and not pleasant; Disable all calculation of objects outside of Solo or hidden by "traffic light", Solo must speed up the scnene, now it does not really; Committe Knife, Weld and so on by Enter or Right click or Enter; When "effector" in "filter" menu is off it still shows in instances and cloners - must be fixed; Individual "filter" menu settings for each vieport (or possible ovveride system), adding a "file" grabber for filter menu to make it floating window; Make backlite respect the compositing tag "exclude" feature. Now it doesn't; A few operands for Boolean and Spline Mask; Fix UV scale. It's damn weired! (DONE) Simultaneaous rendering and files saving - sometimes save process takes a long time and render is paused while that; Make an easy way to control non-PSR parameters with deformers and effectors. We really lack it; Don't colour clones by default; Add "transparent" option in Display tag; TIMELINE By clicking on the object in timeline ONLY select it's own keys, selecting it's and children's keys is possible via middle click already. For now it's such a pain to work with that if you need to tweak anly parent animation. AT LEAST as an option. ; Colour-code Summary track and add a margin to separate it from the rest of timeline, it must ease getting around with what's happening in the scene; Colour-code animation parameters in timeline according to curves colour; Always show Velocity curve representation by default; Add AE-like "speed graph" mode (velocity curve editing); Add an option "don't keep playing after scrabbing"; Make velocity reference curve fit background with no respect to scales on the side so we can see simply the relative speed values not changing the view; AE-like system to control trajectory and velocity separately. Introduce editable velocity curves in timeline; An option to stop playback on scrubbing; "Solo track on object" - turn off all the rest of animation but ONLY for this object. The rest of them remain animated; FIX THIS (copypasting keyframes) https://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/forums/topic/94518-copy-paste-keyframes/ Autokey only active (selected, or keyed alredy) dimentions option; "Keep visual angle" for tangents by default; Possibility to animate in world-space even inside parent object; Hide "tracks" folder; Syncronize animations channels folding and unfolding for selested objects; Shortcuts for toggling parameters like in AE (PSR, for instance); Store the state of selections in timeline for each object respectevely and restore it when the object is reselected again; Add new animated parameters to "solo" mode when it was enabled already before creating new animation (another way that's confusing how it works, make user think something is broken); Remember graph scale for each selected parameter indivigually not to frame it evety time we switch; Timeline selection presets as "selection" objects in OM; MODELIND: Delete polygons with corresponding points by default; (DONE) While "Split" duplicate object without children. Delete points of splited geometry; "Toggle parent generator" must turn off all generators or SDS. Now it works unpredictable. I think there must be some switch or tag to make particular generators stay on even when "toggle" feature is off. Also, wherever is the geomtry in cloner, connect or any other generator, the visibility and editablity of mesh must be preserved. Now it's not working that way. Also fix the same problem with Bevel defromer; "Bend" is awful. It needs to be much more intuitive and flexible, take as a reference 3ds max's one, it's much, much friendlier. Also there needs to be a fast way to bend object symmetrically in two ways (butterfly-like way); NEW: DEDICATED MODELING TOOLBAR! Including: fast axis switch (available in all modes with two "recent settings" buttuns to store setting for fast access without using dropdown menu); Merge Regtangle (and other variation) selection with Move/Scale/Rotate and others; "Pivot to base" or "base to pivot" for primitives; Spline pivot to Bbox centre;

I have started this thread after seeing @Glenster's message in r20 release discussion. He says if anybody has own thoughts on improving modelling toolkit he'd like to hear it. So I hope this is the way to share opinion too. Speaking of modelling I have lot to say too if anybody's interested @Greatszalam I saw those discussion forums. There's a lot of old but still hot threads about self-evident improvements and fixes people are waiting for YEARS and no reaction from Adobe. I started hating them for their neglect in relation to own users. The level of evolution of their products is just awful. They are degrading even. So nope, I can't agree with you in this relation

Hi! For the beginning let me express my respect and warm filings for MAXON team, that's rare nowadays when people think about another people and their needs and not only the profits. Congrats for upcoming r20 release as well! To the point... Despite the UX in C4D is superb relative to many others, there are some pretty evident problems. I don't want to touch modelling yet (but I do have A LOT to say about, both improving particular tools and ways to improve it at the whole), instead let me show you the growing list of fixes I propose. I constantly add new ideas while working, so it's a bit messy, but - I don't know do you, guys, need it and will you ever listen to my thoughts. So I want to start this topic to understand is that needed at all (I did something like this for Adobe and they didn't even bother to answer) and may I take a part at evolving my favourite software? If regular Cafe visitors have something to add - welcome! While "Split" duplicate object without children. Delete points of splited geometry; While "align center" window is active dont't apply the changes to pivot untill the "execute" button is pressed as it's too easy to mess with pivot simply selecting object; Delete polygons with corresponding points by default; Fast "key selected attr" as Q in timeline - when autokey sets the keys for all the parameters it's a bit inconvinient; Fix "render instances", make them like real instances. For now they disappear as soon as we work with them as real objects, putting in symmetry or any other generator. It must work like if you work with a bunch of Instance objects, not like now; Less nulls - there's no real reason why we must group geometry in null to put it in SDS or symmetry. But we have to still, seems to have no point; Cloner negative offset! It's really needed feature to have a way to shift cloner in opposite way than it's possible now; Consider null the object of size of it's content. It's really needed for "fit to parent", axis manipulation and similar things; Add a way to dock attribute manager under the dope sheet object list to see key parameters immidiately; Add a "Show in Solo mode" in Interaction tag; Don't gray out snap options when it's turned off, it is rather inconvinient than logical; One click solo activation with last used settings. Hierarchy turned on by default. Messing with flyout menu every time is time-consuming and not pleasant; Disable all calculation of objects outside of Solo or hidden by "traffic light", Solo must speed up scnene, now that's a major issue; Timeline selection presets as "selection" objects in OM; "Centre axis to" and other commands must not retain the behaviour defined by "Center axis" dialog; Autokey only active (selected) dimensions option; Committe Knife, Weld and so on by Enter or Right click; IMPORTANT! In timeline - DO NOT SHOW child keys on parent!!! AT LEAST as an option. Now selecting keys and even getting an idea of what's going on is a tricky endevaour!; By clicking on the object in timeline ONLY select it's own keys, selecting it's and children's keys is possible via middle click already. For now it's such a pain to work with that; Colour-code Summary track and add a margin to separate it from the rest of timeline, it must ease getting around with happening in the scene;

Hi! I'm still new to Python and I want to get how can be done the following thing. I want to make a completely custom piece of interface that would be shown if you hold down particular key and disappears when you release. It should be custom, not like native C4D menu (actually, very similar to Maya's menu where you move the mouse over items to get subcomands pick the one you need) so I need to draw it and set the event handlers by myself. But, as I'm beginner, I have very poor understanding on how to do it. Can you suggest me a guide that can help to get the concepts please?

Wow, very detailed and valuble answer! Many thanks, Whithers, great explanation. I will try to implement it in my idea, if I will have success I'll share it with you :)

Thank you for the answer, by hand it's much easier, but I need to code that in Python :)

Hi! I'm still new to Python in C4D and I need some suggestions. I need to make such thing: I have an object (a few maybe) with animation on psr. I need to retrive all the keys it has, get their values, do something with them and assign the result back to key. And do it all for each key on the curve. (Also, preserving curve tangets is very important, but I guess they must be preserved autometicly?). How to get access to keys and manipulate them? I did a reserch in docs but could not find what I need :|

I'm searching something like this too.

In particulat situation yes. But in general there may be different setups so I want a universal approach

This is brocedural brige example from recent webinar. I know there's at least, a cluster object, but I wanted to try a pure xpresso solution

Hi! Inspired by Houdini examples I want to try out building some complecated procedural setups, but without this unfriendly monster :) One of the (many) question I have is: can I use selection tag to take and move (colorize, rotate, scale, whatever) a group of subgeometry elements, (points, edges, polys) via Xpresso (Python at least)? And can I select points (etc) for further modification by any creteria (as the position along axis, color or anything like this)?