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you definitely don’t need crappy topology for toon shaded characters. mine are all clean quads and proper flow. it‘s just that with toon shading you can hide ugly topology quite good, so often people just don‘t care that much . in c4d we don‘t have proper normal editing tools, so we can‘t really get super smooth cartoon shadowing lines . as light travels across the model you get that crawling effect, to avoid this you need smoother normals than the actual geometry is… blender or houdini have those tools to edit normals properly or transfer normals from a more simplified model like an egg shape onto the head mesh for example… while we can transfer normals too in c4d, the problem is that normals get overwritten as soon as you put your model into an sds.

Don't worry guys - the next version of Z brush will be great - it will just have half the icons missing... 🤣

Death by a thousand subs.

I see some comparison here between 3d coat, blender sculpting and zbrush... And as much as I love the first two softwares, I will be honest, there are miles, miles of distance between them and what Zbrush is capable of... Blender sculpting is getting up there, but still.. the brushes, I dont know.. I dont feel 100% control of what I am doing. But of course, the easy access to poly modeling is really awesome, since zmodeler has an extremely clumky way to work... I work with Zbrush for about 3-4 years, mostly for character design and some hard surface and detailing. The interface is scary as hell at first, but once you get the hang of it, it becomes so fluid and highly customizable. 3D Coat is a great software, but it is voxel sculpting, a totally different beast. It is great for some things,specially quick concept, but for fine detailing, not so good. Also, 3D coat is very unstable.. whenever I am doing retopo, I keep wondering "ok..will the symmetry break now? will the software crash?" I just paid for their new update, and the software still continues with this trend... I ended up buying Retopoflow 3 for Blender and never looked back. I think this is what upsets me the most. Each update Zbrush received, was awesome, for free, and really made sense for when they were released... compared to the laughable pathetic updates C4D has received over the past 2 years. If Pixologic started charging for updates from next year, even at a higher cost, I am 100% sure the customers would be super ok to pay for it. Heck.. I was starting to feel weird not paying for these! After Redshift got acquired by Maxon, the same thing happened. In a whole year, a big part of the updates were just fixes for bugs created by themselves on previous iterations. Not to mention the passive agressive/patronizing tone some of the developers there seemed to have adopted. For me it's clear, there will be no benefits for us after any business move involving Maxon. Specially under this current leadership. It is just crappy news all around.

I used to work with product and architectural visualisations for many years, but now I mostly do illustrations for books and tabletop RPGs. I’m attaching a couple of recent illustrations below. And I finally got around to making a portfolio on Artstation, if you want to see more: www.artstation.com/clarenceredd

https://www.maxon.net/en/article/maxon-announces-an-agreement-to-acquire-the-assets-of-pixologic-makers-of-zbrush?utm_campaign=maxonzbrush&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=1639499772&fbclid=IwAR0l96HLzF63okGrJhs1l4rIDJy68SQ9EdO5UK0A9RsrnyMvrXRsZu2iXHA Can ZBrush retain its unique qualities as part of Maxon? http://www.cgchannel.com/2021/12/maxon-to-acquire-pixologic/

R25.113 is out, and addresses a great many of the issues with the original release. Recommended for all R25 users (especially if you have a tablet!), and available through the Maxon app. https://support.maxon.net/hc/en-us/articles/4411991623442-Cinema-4D-R25-December-13-2021-SP1 CBR

Getting bored of this - what else should I add? Need some feedback. Thanks!

Oh that is VERY cool 🙂 Despite it being literally one click away from a 'do what I'm thinking' button, and feeling rather too much like cheating, I kinda also don't care because it's such a cool thing to see happening in front of you. Instant backdrops ! I haven't had time to watch the vids yet, but I hope we get HDRI panos out of it , and massive resolution etc etc Lovely that it's free for beta as well - good find HP ! CBR

Jesus Christ, ICM... I've never used ZBrush, never had an interest in using it, never sculpted anything, never had an interest in sculpting anything, and never had a need to. Was this ambiguous from my earlier questions? I also never used InDesign, Illustrator, and probably three or four other programs in the Adobe sub I had, but Premiere and (to a lesser extent) AE received some use. I'll be skipping both for Resolve as it can cut, colour and comp all I need for my needs. Having heard that Maxon are picking ZBrush up, I'm assuming they'll be letting paying customers of Maxon One have access to it at some point. I'm getting that sub with my next iMac, so will have a look when it comes out. But I'm not in a burning hurry to have a look at it, hence me stating earlier in this thread exactly that. But if it's there as part of the sub I'll likely have a look. I have heard the UI is annoying though, and watched a training video on the app a handful of years ago where the instructor spent the first five minutes warning people that the UI was annoying. Go figure. If you're going to 'indulge' my questions, great, but maybe change your tone while you're at it. If not, don't bother. Even better - a possible future path to avoid pointless clashes in this thread, and on this forum - I'll avoid commenting on your C4D posts in future on these threads if you avoid commenting on mine. Conversations on these topics are generally fine but I strongly suspect if we were face to face in a pub or bar we'd find common ground on something within about 60 seconds and would go from there. But being grilled in bold type over something I've never claimed to use seems typical of the hostility that probably lies in the future in these conversations if we keep going back and forth. I'm beginning to question the worth of threads here on Maxon topics where 80% of the posts seem to come from ex-C4D users who have no interest in the app currently, and where people who express an interest are viewed with repeated hostility and suspicion.

Dunno what to make of it. Maybe Twitter needs the option to dislike posts? 😉

Good news for maxon, bad news for c4d. Nothing on the market currently can compete with the scope of Zbrush's capabilities, and that alone gives maxon enough leverage to gouge the consumer base with their subscription platform, rendering c4d superfluous and unnecessary, especially in light of the negative reaction they received from their latest and disappointing release (R25). Acquiring pixologic was a gutsy move on maxon's part, but was probably due more to desperation and lack of confidence in c4d's ability to bring in continuing profits. Basically, it seems that maxon is hellbent to keep their current business practices whether by virtue or force, and now that zbrush is part of their arsenal, I'm expecting c4d to stagnate further. I think Igor's comparison to autodesk sums up the situation perfectly.

Hardly. You seem to have missed the epic list of fixes in that update, and mistakenly used the words 'instead of' rather than 'as well as'... CBR

Not long ago, I praised Pixologic for their mentality and how they treat customers over the years. What a disgusting piece of news... the outcome of this, I guess we all know too well. Given the track record of how Maxon treats customers, the abusive price for half baked updates, and how they try to sell this subscription scam as "hey, it will be good for you". I can expect that perpetuals for Zbrush will be a thing of the past... Sure there will be sort of offers that will "buy" your license, and sell you back as a lease software that you used to own in the first place. Man.. the 3D industry.. am I right? Maxon, Autodesk, Adobe. We are in "great" company.

Oh wow, I did not see that one coming. Not a good thing. At all. I am not a Zbrush user (never got along with it, prefer 3DCoat and Blender sculpt mode myself), but this move will worry most professionals in the industry. I mean, Maxon is not really known to be a forward-thinking company anymore. It used to be, but no longer. I agree with @Igor, this is unwelcome news indeed. If Pixologic needed an inflow of cash, they could've just easily asked for a 50% upgrade fee from their users - most WANTED Pixologic to finally start asking for more money! Not good. Not good at all.

Interesting to read that Twitter response from Per-Anders Edwards. How times change.

soo kind of a meh release.. again. They eclipsed the sad sack update by announcing they put their money into buying Zbrush instead of working on C4D. 😕

Beep, whirrr, Boing, clack, clack, bang. Nope. Does not compute. Error ! Error ! Shutting down ! lols 🙂 Only joking - an interesting watch to be sure... CBR

From their site: For a list of new features: https://www.blender.org/download/releases/3-0/ The new updated Cycles X renders between 2 and 8 times faster. Geometry nodes have seen a dramatic update, and the new (much awaited) Asset Browser is another key new feature. An animation pose library is integrated. And of course a boatload of other improvements and bug fixes across the board.