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So.....tomorrow is the "MAXON 3D & Motion Design Show: The Siggraph Edition" with the Mr. McGavran kicking off the show with: "some exciting announcements and a few sneak peeks at the future of MAXON products" and not one thread about what to expect in the next release in the Cafe? Did I miss something? If I did not miss something and there really is complete silence, then could it be due to one or more of the following? We don't expect anything different than what has already been announced in S22. We finally got an update to the UV editing system in S22!!! Anything after that is anti-climatic. We have no further expectations so there is no point in speculating. We realize that speculation is pointless...so why bother. We will get what we get....so just wait for it. Mr. McGavran's R21 Siggraph presentation spun the room with the announcement of subscriptions which was the bulk of his presentation. As such, we don't remember that presentation for its feature discussion because we were all in denial. Based on that experience, which was a shock to everyone's system, we are fearful of what he has to say this year and therefore don't want to talk about it. In short, we still have PTSD. Usually by now we would have a 3 page thread going with everyone pitching in their hopes and dreams. In that discussion, which can switch from civil to nasty with one post, there would be: The usual list of features covering the same areas of the program in need of an update. Some really valid points being made about features we never knew we needed. Arguments raging over why do we have to wait so long for much needed features - including those we never knew we needed until they were mentioned in the thread. A well timed post from 3D-Kiwi about life after MAXON. Predictions over MAXON's future which only generates more controversy. At least two threats from the moderators threatening to shut the thread down if tempers continue to escalate. A few posts from brave MAXON employee's trying to be the voice of reason. ....hmmm.....maybe the silence is better. Dave

Cinema 4d has good tools for rigging. Besides 3ds max and a bit of maya i dont know much about other packages but i feel very confortable rigging in this one. Obvisously i would like some improvements in the skinning system, maybe a multi layer system for the weight painting and a better constraint system that wasn't much of a drag with priorities. Unfortunately i'm mainly a generalist and i only rig occasionally, so there are a lot of skills (including learning python) that i miss. However it's good to work in a system that have such potencial and it helps a lot professionals like me that are not fully dedicated to rigging. For example i watched some rigging maya tuts and i find that if your are not a python user, you don't go very far... Perhaphs blender is better, but like i said it before, don't know it very well. Another thing that i really like is that we can mix mograph tools with rigging tools and provide some cool effects, and i dont see this kind of interaction in other packages. Here's a an example of some of those rigs i've worked, and to show that c4d is a good tool to use. A lot of xpresso but no python at all. enjoy: