given the lack of r21 features and any sub release so far and glacial pace of development and subs I can understand your skepticism. I still have some hope left for a bit of innovation coming our way, actual changes and development to make Redshift work better in c4d, and integrate red giant tech in cool ways, but I must admit my optimism is fading more every day. Especially given all the aging parts of cinema 4d that haven’t been touched . When that Uv tweet was made a few months ago...who knows but nothing more happened, so you are just starting to develop this it seems now? What has MAXON been working on the past five years? Just the core. There are just so many things left behind. And I’m very bitter about the lack of node python and disjointed state of nodes with xpresso and rest of software